[Sputnik-list] Forum implementation

[pierre pracht]

Le 6 mars 08 à 11:46, Jim Whitehead II a écrit :

> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, pierre pracht <pierre.pracht at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>> I know and I understand.
>> I was just warning you that you borrow application schemes of  
>> existing
>> application (e.g. phpbb + mysql).
>>
>> It can be done another way. It isn't identical. But it could work.
>>
>> If you try to get generated id and read/write consistency : you
>> get ... a database
>
> I'm trying to provide an API so that developers can write applications
> however they would like with the behavior they expect.

Each modification is a new document version.
Each modification is saved
But each save isn't necessarily the last one.

It's simple and consistent.

> I'm also
> trying to learn lessons from concurrent web applications in order to
> prevent issues down the road.

Ensuring read/write consistency is one problem of curent web  
application. relaxing it open the way to interesting application.

Imagine a distributed wiki, you use a copy on your post and publish  
change to server.
Like git : no id just uuid and last one is used.

> I don't see the point in writing the
> core in a way that requires every single developer to jump through
> hoops to handle these sorts of things when basic primitives can be
> defined that make it easier for everyone.

Each system have his shortcoming and strength.

Actually you have many relational database but few document oriented  
system.

> I'm not trying to make a database, but I am trying to implement some
> database-like applications on top of sputnik.

Yes that's what I'm saying :
- You want an abstract id rather a signifiant url

For this something like rails rocks.
So better write Luails than modifying sputnik to handle it.

> Hence why I haven't yet
> requested a change to the core that would alter the way it works in a
> fundamental way.

Sputnik is a wiki, may be later he could do more.
For me : the basis of wiki is document orientation.
It could be interesting to see how far sputnik can go with out using  
locking.

Sorry I have posted previous response to mailing list.
I haven't see that you mailed just to me.

- pierre